A useful frame

John Stapleton jsbb at rogers.com
Fri Oct 29 12:41:22 UTC 2021

Reading and listening to Catherine, it struck me that the experiences  social assistance recipient Bee Lee Soh had as a member of a Minister's Advisory Committee on poverty might be useful. 
I include it here: https://metcalffoundation.com/publication/voice-of-experience/
Bee Lee's lived experience in her own words can be found on pages 10-19. 
Bee Lee continues to live in extreme poverty in a rooming house in North Scarborough as a recipient of Ontario Works. She recently celebrated her 60th birthday. She has an application into ODSP that has yet to be   adjudicated.

Bee Lee is extremely articulate and teaches deputation skills to others with lived experience of poverty, racism, and misogyny. //js 
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    On Thursday, October 28, 2021, 09:07:32 p.m. EDT, Jutta Treviranus <jtreviranus at ocadu.ca> wrote:  
  Thank you Catherine, I’ve included this in my graduate program, this is a great framing. We have also talked about epistemicide as a concept.

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On Oct 28, 2021, at 8:49 PM, Catherine Frazee <frazee at web.net> wrote:

Hi folks,
I couldn't resist the temptation to chime into this brand new list with a couple of short video segments that may be helpful in describing the nature of the problem that we are working to address collectively.
In a sense, our work together takes up the intersection between knowledge and justice. We are confronted with barriers when we endeavour to bring forward our knowledge, in the form of data or testimony, to judges or policymakers. When disabled people, as holders of knowledge, are thwarted in this effort, the result is injustice.
I've recently been exploring the concept described in philosophical terms as "epistemic injustice". [For those unfamiliar with the term, epistemology refers to the study of human knowledge. Epistemic injustice is therefore a particular kind of injustice that occurs when certain kinds of knowledge are discounted, or certain groups of knowers are marginalized.]
So it's a useful concept for our purposes I think, and may be helpful at the very least, as we attempt to articulate the rationale for and importance of our efforts at "designing proof".
If you want to explore the concept further, a simple Google search will yield lots of resources. But if you just want the Coles Notes, here are a couple of short videos that do the job quite nicely:
   - https://youtu.be/xB2QuLx9pMQ – this short 5 minute video gives an excellent introduction to the concept of "epistemic injustice"
   - https://youtu.be/VpnzEErB-r8 – in this 6 minute video, Miranda Fricker, who first coined the phrase "epistemic injustice" and has dedicated years of study to the subject, elaborates on how these concepts play out in the lives of socially disadvantaged people.
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